4 - 21 Words Separating Church and State

Twenty-one words is all that stands between you and a government that decides who's allowed to preach. This episode traces the line from Roger Williams, banished from Massachusetts for saying the state has no business in anyone's conscience, through jailed Baptist preachers in colonial Virginia, to the Thirty Years' War, Henry VIII, and a June 2026 Oval Office moment that keeps the whole argument alive today. It’s a story about what happens when governments start needing religion, and religion starts needing government. This is literally where Faith Draws the Line.